In one sense there is no real debate about what the early church fathers believed about the timing of the rapture. However those holding to a pretrib rapture position have offered up various theories concerning the Didache, Pseudo Ephraim and a host of other documents which they claim support their view as opposed to the traditional view. I think this discussion is as facilitating as it is frustrating. So join me as I mostly refute the paper by James F. Stitzinger published by the Masters Seminary: https://tms.edu/msj/msj13-2-1/Vine Abiders Links:Substack: https://substack.com/@vineabidersApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/vine-abiders-podcast/id1836542893Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/08zwN9adiROSwLvZeg4VxhYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/@OSASfilmFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61558469721149